lincshammer
1:40 Fri Jan 9
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We were chatting about this at work today as I work for a company that could quite easily sponsor a lower league club the size of Oldham. We weren't really talking about the case as such but what we would do as a business if we were ever in this situation. Most of the directors were in agreement that as it stands he is a convicted rapist and we wouldn't want our brand and logo associated with him, it's an extremely difficult case for sponsors but as most are so conciencious of public image they don't have much choice.
The reason he hasn't got a club is purely down to sponsors threatening to pull out, and football club doesn't give a fuck about a MP spouting off on tv or epetitions but sponsors do.
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Willtell
1:26 Fri Jan 9
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I agree Mr Polite. I'll bet it wasn't football fans that threatened Oldham officials with death.
70,000 people signed a petition. Oldham got less than 5,000 at their last game...
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Mr Polite
1:24 Fri Jan 9
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As for the argument saying he is an influence on kids - i'd say only if you are an awful parent, in which case there are more important issues affecting your kid
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Mr Polite
1:23 Fri Jan 9
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DJH
I understand why you might want football on the list of jobs a rapist can't do, I don't agree but I understand why.
The fact is it isn't lawful to stop him working as a footballer and therefore the professional offence takers and the politicians, chief of police etc who have been quick to say he shouldn't, should all pipe down and let a club do what they want.
With regards to the public opinion I agree those affected should have a say, so if a clubs fans decided they don't want him and put pressure on the club to not sign him, that's fine, he will have to live with that as a consquence of his actions.
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DJH
12:59 Fri Jan 9
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Mr Polite totally disagree if you are saying professional football is a career that someone should be able to continue within regardless of the crime committed.
Whilst players want to take the money generated by the Public be it through the gate, TV, sponsorship, etc than they should accept that one factor in the continuation in that career is positive public opinion.
So many seem to ignore it is the public that allow these players to enjoy such a privilege living but when opinion turns suddenly it is mob rule and shouldn't happen, well like pop stars find out far too often with fickle fans for far less serious reasons that's life and Mr Evans has no one to blame but himself.
There is also an argument for saying a convicted rapist showing no remorse who will be an influence on children and watched by women should be prevented from playing by the FA on moral grounds but football is so out of touch it has to wait for public opinion to force action rather than doing it itself.
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Mr Polite
12:55 Fri Jan 9
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it'd be much easier if the other thread was locked and all discussed on this one.
KUMB would...
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Lee Trundle
12:41 Fri Jan 9
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I wish Gordon Taylor luck.
There's 2 groups in life that never let things go, women and scousers.
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Mr Polite
12:38 Fri Jan 9
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Whether you agree with the snetence or not a judge sentenced Evans to imprisonment to pay for the crime he was found guilty of.
A Judge and Jury being selected as impartial people that cannot/should not be swayed by politicians, governments to sentence one way or by a mob or the accused to sentence another. This is vital in our judicial system.
For Politicians to then think it is their place to try and get a further punishment from what the judge has given is totally out of order and their party leaders should be sactioning them.
For mob rule by social media to be able to do the same is equally disgusting. 70k people signed a petetion for goodness sake - have you seen how many people actually go and watch Oldham?!
Whether you agree he is guilty or not, whether you think his sentence for the crime was enough or not, whether you like the bloke or not really doesn't matter. In the eyes of the law he has served his sentence and therefore should be allowed to work.
Apart from certain crimes and certain areas of work there is no rules on what they are allowed to work as, no financial limit on what they are allowed to earn. He should therefore be allowed to work within those rules for anyone willing to employ him.
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DJH
12:10 Fri Jan 9
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No but I wouldn't expect to be treated as if I was nothing but guilty and understand it was probably best not to resume my career unless I was repentant or had cleared my name.
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motley crue
12:08 Fri Jan 9
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Evans has been found guilty, the best thing he can do is go away quietly and try and prove his innocence that he maintains.
If he does that, then he'll have no problem I doubt walking back into football.
As it stands, who in there right mind wants to see there team play with a rapist.
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Willtell
12:07 Fri Jan 9
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stoneman 11:56
And wasn't it another couple of presenters on Talkshite that got fired by Sky for sexually harassing women
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stoneman
11:57 Fri Jan 9
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Maybe he is unrepentant because he feels he is innocent.
Would you admit to something you think you didn't do?
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stoneman
11:56 Fri Jan 9
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Talksport should remember the phrase "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
I believe one of their main presenters beat up a woman he was in a relationship with.
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DJH
11:53 Fri Jan 9
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Difference is that even though it is that long ago the world is a different place and what was acceptable or maybe what you could away with is a lot different now.
I am just amazed that in a sport that influences children and is watched by millions of women is even debating allowing as it stands an unrepentant convicted rapist back into it to earn £1k's off the backs of these same people, just demonstrates why it takes public opinion not the ruling bodies to do anything about it.
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Willtell
11:22 Fri Jan 9
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Technically you are probably right. But if I had made a stand and the fellow ended up being innocent after all I'd apologise....
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wrighty
11:18 Fri Jan 9
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He's currently a convicted rapist, they're not at fault for anything.
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Willtell
11:16 Fri Jan 9
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wrighty 10:56 Fri Jan 9
"Why should they apologise?"
Well. It's a big if but if Evans is found innocent after all then they have led a campaign to make him unemployed. That's why...
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BRANDED
11:01 Fri Jan 9
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Best not to get a bit rapey if you're a high profile person now. The world has changed. You wont be allowed to continue with a normal life. Massive contrition and help for victims may have helped but I recon that horse has bolted.
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wrighty
10:56 Fri Jan 9
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Why should they apologise?
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Willtell
10:53 Fri Jan 9
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This is a strange case where the facts suggest something is not quite right and a miscarriage of justice is possible.
If that is the case and I'm not saying it is, then how will those outspoken ladies that have 'raped' Evans publicly, apologise to him I wonder?
Runners should stick to running and TV presenters should stick to presenting. Leave who plays football to football managements....
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Dr Congo
10:21 Fri Jan 9
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"perhaps a desire to set an example."
It's worrying how often people interviewed about this complain most about how much he'll be paid if he plays again. Pure jealousy of rich footballers. Has to be a chance that attitude would rear its head in the jury room.
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